Earlier this year, I spent a weekend with family members who my husband and I don’t see often but with whom we remain close. We had organized the weekend, helping with travel arrangements and costs, and — as more or less the family elders–we were looking forward to hosting everyone for dinner on our arrival evening. But when I suggested a vegan restaurant –an especially lovely one—I was told that we needed to find a place that was more “inclusive.” Apparently one family member was eating only meat.
For those of us who hold the suffering of animals, and especially farmed animals, in our hearts, breaking bread with meat-eaters is always painful. It is hard, and especially so because we’re expected to be quietly polite and accepting of the non-vegans with whom we dine. And for the most part, I meet those expectations. I do it because I get that most people are simply stuck in their habits and traditions and are not really thinking about the impact of their food choices.
The carnivore fad, though, is a whole different thing. It’s different because it’s such nonsense and so offensive. It’s not just that it causes more animal suffering and environmental harm than the average meat-containing diet. And it’s not just that it’s highly doubtful that such a diet can support health over the long term. It’s the fact that it is ludicrous to believe that a few bites of walnuts or broccoli or raspberries will ruin your health or that you can’t have even one meal that doesn’t include meat.
But when I point this out (and no, I did not do so in the presence of our family carnivore) it invites the question: Couldn’t you say the same thing about people who refuse – for health reasons – to eat even one bite of animal food? And the answer is yes, I would indeed say that. Allergies aside, the idea that certain foods are so dangerous that they should never be consumed falls squarely within the realm of pseudoscience, not evidence-based nutrition. And we should be careful not to let vegan diets slip into the same world of pseudoscience that carnivore diets inhabit.
Shortly after the family event, I posted this on twitter:
Several people suggested that the first part of my tweet wasn’t true – that in fact, there is no amount of meat that is safe in the diet. But, I think it’s a mistake to make those kinds of claims, even in the name of saving animals. It’s not demonstrably true and it feeds into the belief that there are strict rules around what constitutes healthy eating. The belief that there is any such thing as a single healthy way to eat, or that certain foods are dangerous and others are essential, is exactly the belief system that gives rise to fads like a carnivore diet.
This is the great thing about veganism: It rises above all the silly purist dietary arguments. Yes, it places certain foods – those derived from animals – off limits, but it does so for unassailable reasons. Those reasons have nothing to do with claims about which foods can and can’t be included in a healthy diet. Veganism looks at food choices through a lens of respect, justice, and compassion.
A vegan diet is also inclusive of any reasonable dietary pattern. It allows for the full range of choices, from low-fat to keto. I have some ideas about which of the many choices are better options, but the fact is that there is more than one way to eat a healthy and enjoyable vegan diet. Assuming they have access to a variety of foods, any logical, evidence-based person can find a way to be vegan if they care enough to try.
This is the message we need to share with our communities. One that includes an evidence-based message about nutrition and an admission that there are lots of healthy ways to eat. And one that emphasizes the true personal benefits of veganism – that it brings habits in line with a commitment to justice and compassion.
Thanks for another fantastic column, Ginny. Making the issue about one’s personal consumption instead of the animals makes it easy for most people to ignore the message.
Thanks, Matt!
You put this all so eloquently Ginny! I’m bookmarking this post for future reference. As a fellow vegan & newer RD I greatly admire you & I have for years! 🙂
Thank you, Amanda! And welcome to the world of vegan RDs!
Well said Ginny
From a Long-time Vegan
Thank you, Louise. (From your long-time vegan friend!)
Thank you from the bottom of my heart…
Thank you, Jan.
Bravo, Ginny!
Thanks for this Ginny. We need more vegan voices like this. The carnivore bullying is getting out of control.
Hello Ginny – I m on a 95% plant based diet since 8 weeks. the 5% consist of fresh caught salmon, and eggs and some chicken meat from free range chicken. The main motivating factor was the documentary “what the health” … Even though I think the creator of this movie made some massive mistakes, as you very eloquently commented in a Wikipedia report. My main reason to change my diet was same as yours, being totally discusted by the way animals are treated. Finally / just for your info / I m 69, with Diabetes-Type 2. 8 weeks ago my A1C was on 7.2, I m down on 5.8 now… Keep up the good works! cheers – Werner
Congrats on getting your A1c down so quickly, Werner!
Your main reason for choosing a more plant-based diet is the same as mine was, in 2007. Best wishes to you on your plantiful path!
I have been a whole food vegan for many years now and I struggle mightily with my judgment of meat eaters. I don’t talk to people about the benefits of eating plants unless they ask, but sometimes it is tough. Mostly, when they see me eating healthy food, they jokingly become defensive about the meat (dairy, eggs etc.) they are eating. I believe that that defensiveness is a form or education for them. If I don’t grab the bait, all is left is reflection on their part. I am 71 yrs old and am lightyears healthier than most in my circle of friends. Being a role model sometimes speaks much more loudly than proselytizing.
Thank you for sharing. It is so sad that meaters only think about what they are doing when they are around vegans.
I make a point of telling humans that I am vegan, because I want them to ask questions and learn. But few do. cheers.
Great points, Ginny, eloquently delivered!
A friend is telling me Greger recommends protein intake of .8g/kg bodyweight, even for older people. I realize there is still some debate. Your perspective makes more sense to me and I personally feel more satiated when I lean on a little extra legumes and nuts. At 63, I also do some resistance exercise which I know is super important, especially as we age.
Thanks for your evidence based compassionate message! As a fellow RDN I believe we need to find our common ground and common sense.
I eat animal based for several reasons. 1 to promote regenerative farming practices. 2. Animal based foods are the most bioavailable source of nutrients. And while I care about how everything is treated, first and foremost I care about myself. The biggest indicators that animal based is natural for me is that 1. It’s the primary food that contains all essential amino acids for protein synthesis needed by the human body. Soy protein comes at quite a cost and messes with the hormonal system. Looking at food from the perspective of “respect, justice, and compassion “ can equally be said about humane regenerative farming practices if not more so than vegan diets. The animals sacrifice is honored and they receive a comfortable life. Mono cropping is arguably much more harmful to the biome and natural order. Most plants specifically vegetables contain active defense mechanisms telling us not to eat them in abundance. I don’t have any issue with those that choose vegan, but from a holistic view of humanity I struggle with the benefit of it.
You make your own choices and enjoy your reasons for what you eat. I have made the conscious ethical choice
to not participate in the death vibrations and slaughter of animals to eat them, regardless of how “nicely” they are raised. I have done this for over 25 years and only regret not doing it sooner. In the process I have ‘saved” the lives of over 2000 animals I did not eat. That is my choice, and I truly love animals so it fits me.
Have you ever personally killed the animals you eat?.
Have you ever worked in, or been in a slaughterhouse?.
The animal ag industry, large or small, takes the animals life from them. The animals do not voluntarily get “sacrificed’, they are forced to do so. As far as I know, most natural animals are slaughtered in the same slaughterhouses as the factory animals are. Most female farm animals are forced to be impregnated with humans hands. Male layer chicks and male dairy cows are worthless and are “culled”, almost always just after birth. With regard to ‘right to life”, a good percentage of dairy cows (from 10%-40%) sent to slaughter, are carrying a fetus which spills out of her stomach after she is dead and dissected.
Again, that does not bother you at all, so you will continue to enjoy your meals at their expense. Peace.
Well put and agreed, mostly…
We eat a mostly plant based diet using local animal based foods from farmers we know to supplement for Vit A, B12, Ks & E, for all the reasons mentioned by you and Ginny. We live in a food forest based on Permaculture Design, PCD.
We began learning all this in 1985, helped CA start recycling and became vegetarian (“vegan” is redundant) upon reading John Robbins’ book Diet for a New America & Paul Pitchford’s Healing with Whole Foods. We later also met John at a Bioneers conference. He is tall. I’m 6’1” & he towered over me.
We worked as a worker-owned gardening collective designing & installing native landscapes in residential & school yards.
In 1987 we discovered PCD, & began using Chinese Medicine, CM. Upon learning PCD we focused our gardens on PCD, and, this trajectory ultimately lead me to became a practitioner of CM, graduating in 1998.
So to this day PCD & CM guide our principles.
In 2000 Sally Fallon’s Nourishing Traditions was published & we discovered Dr Mary Enig’s work Know Your Fats.
Both PCD & CM do not advocate for a vegetarian diet (plant dominant but not 100%) since it tends to be dependent on mono-crop farming, lacks Vit A, B12, & easily assimilable Ks & E and prevents one’s diet from fully participating in the holistic cycles of nature, i.e. hunting which animal husbandry now is essentially a substitute.
Interesting side note:
Prior to European invasion the 6 Nations (NE tribes of Turtle Island) created prairies & “imported” bison from the Great Plains.
PCD, which began in the late 1970s, is a complete holistic based design system that itself is designed to design community based agrarian life that is fully integrated with natural systems. PCD includes regenerative agriculture as a design element but this is only a small piece of the design.
RA is not a complete design system like PCD, as it is focused on animal husbandry elements mimicking wildlife..
Additionally a vegetarian diet requires much more land & energy (digestive & industrial) to provide full nutrition (sort of due to lack of veg sources of B12 & A) than an one needs if you incorporate fish & other small animals in a PCD system.
PCD creates systems that tend to be much more than double the efficiency of any industrial farm & even organic mono-crop farms because it is based on local, integrated & highly diverse, food forestry – multi-layered systems based on perennial plants (trees, shrubs ground cover) interplanted with annuals & animals roaming the food forest (extreme simplification).
So learn PCD. It only takes 2 weeks in an intensive PCD course. which can be found nearly anywhere on Earth however local is less energy intensive for travel of course.
We are the largest grassroots network of activist gardeners you have never heard of.
You likely know some practitioners without realizing it.
Use CM as you primary health maintenance via a practitioner who pays attention to compassionately sourced local herbs & get the books we recommended above.
Also listen to the Pacifica Network of community radio. KPFA, KPFK, WBAI, WPFW, WPFT.
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Very well put.
Thank you for sharing. I do have a challenging time around carnists. Its’ as if they are so habitual with their
meals, they do not see the other side of things, or consider the life of the animals. iT is truly like a drug
addiction. I have been a whole food ethical vegan for over 25 years, and do it for the animals, first. Have a great day.
Ginny,
I was doing a survey of favorite websites and I came across this post. Thank you for its reasonableness, its balance, and the way it comes down solidly in favor of veganism for a whole complex of reasons that add up to something solid and unassailable. I love your moderation regarding choices within the vegan realm–I often cite your expertise and your wisdom about dietary choices which I think keeps more of us healthy and vegan than any more rigid stance could possibly do. In short, thank you! –Carol Barnett